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The milk shake · Sep 28, 2005, 06:55 AM // 06:55

this idea is ridiculous
1: makes it difficult to get skills for a new character
2: makes it difficult to change professions

i mean you start a new char, and you are like lv5 getting outta pre... HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET 1k for a skill???????????????, i mean what if you are a w/mo, you dont start with breeze, its gonna be a while before you can scrap up the cash to buy it....

One and Two · Sep 28, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01

it doesnt start at 1k.

RTSFirebat · Sep 28, 2005, 08:22 AM // 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by The milk shake

i mean you start a new char, and you are like lv5 getting outta pre... HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET 1k for a skill???????????????, i mean what if you are a w/mo, you dont start with breeze, its gonna be a while before you can scrap up the cash to buy it....

Doesn't start that expensive, however 1K is a bit annoying, but considering that I made 10,000 Faction in 2 hours of GvG, its not that hard to buy skills using that method.

aron searle · Sep 28, 2005, 09:25 AM // 09:25

Yea, i dont like it.

Ive just started a new monk charachter (currently lvl 7), Im already up to 350gp per skill.

This means that i HAVE to keep going farming to be able to afford skills.

its fine to have a money sink if you HAVE the money to sink.

dargon · Sep 28, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27

Lets see, common arguements

1. You don't need to have every skill on a pve character
2. Come back when you have more $$$ to spend
3. Short term it's more expensive, long term it's way cheaper if you plan to have 1 character with every skill in the game
4. Money is easy to earn later on when mobs drop 90+ gold each

2_fingers · Sep 28, 2005, 12:40 PM // 12:40

1. It encourages intelligence. You do not need all the skills u have in your class to play. PvE, u do not need all, u need a couple.
2. Money is a weird concept in the game. Just play the game - somehow, the longer u play u eventually still get drops and can make back that cash u need.
3. DO THE QUESTS. If u need the skill badly, do the quests. If u want the short cut, pay for it.

Take it as a challenge - do quests to earn ur skills. its more rewarding (think blood & smoke)

boxterduke · Sep 28, 2005, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Do not get all skills, just get the ones you want.
Do quests, there are lots of quests that give you skills instead of buying them.

I know it is too much to pay 1k for a skill but unless they change that we gonna have to live with it.

Good thing that I read the article about that update. I spent the weekend before the SF update getting all skills for my mesmer and warrior.

Too bad I was lacking skill points to get them for my Necro.

Now I get what I want only, unless I have money.

But yeah too bad for new players.

dargon · Sep 28, 2005, 05:29 PM // 17:29

heh, right before that update, I spent 11 or so skill points on my ranger for nothing but cap's

Perishiko ReLLiK · Sep 28, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by The milk shake

this idea is ridiculous
1: makes it difficult to get skills for a new character
2: makes it difficult to change professions

i mean you start a new char, and you are like lv5 getting outta pre... HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET 1k for a skill???????????????, i mean what if you are a w/mo, you dont start with breeze, its gonna be a while before you can scrap up the cash to buy it....

First of all, it doesnt start that high.

Perhaps you don't know what quests are? Complaint Solved.

It's a gold sink, and it's doing its job.

Mr Wolfmaster · Sep 28, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28

You guys are wrong in a way tho. You mentioned quests serveral times yet I've done all the quests with my Mo/N and I have none left! I used them all when I was a Mo/W. So now I'm stuck and I'm not about to spend 18k to get rid of all my skill points. Although if I ever do need necro skills I can just buy 1 or 2 so this doesn't work out so bad. However, exp is utterly pointless after level 20 yet they have all the scrolls and bonus missions. The way I see it if you spend time getting exp for skill points than you shouldn't have to spend a fortune redeeming them.

dargon · Sep 29, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Like I said, money is easy to come by. With a 4 henchman party, my ranger can earn roughly 1.5 plat / hour, not including any cash earned from the sale of decent drops such a vigor runes etc

Phrozenflame · Sep 29, 2005, 06:55 AM // 06:55

For general info..you start @ 50 gp.

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E · Sep 29, 2005, 07:04 AM // 07:04

Will I mention that I have 421 skills total on one guy and how this update is making an estimate price be cut into a 4th...

yeap only 35,000g left to spend on the last skills.

the milk shake how many times have you made the same statement about Skill prices?

Run the solo monk build like everyone else and sell the crap you find, via merchant or if its even remotely good to people.

One and Two · Sep 29, 2005, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by The milk shake

this idea is ridiculous
1: makes it difficult to get skills for a new character
2: makes it difficult to change professions

i mean you start a new char, and you are like lv5 getting outta pre... HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET 1k for a skill???????????????, i mean what if you are a w/mo, you dont start with breeze, its gonna be a while before you can scrap up the cash to buy it....

1. Quests get you skills. And the prices start out low.
2. Changing professions is not something you are forced into, or you have divine right. It is an option and something many games would not allow.

I mean you start a new char, and you are like lv5 getting outta pre...HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BITCH ABOUT a skill????????????, i mean what if you are a w/mo, you dont start with breeze, its gonna be a while with orison of healing and questing..............

cagan · Sep 29, 2005, 07:17 AM // 07:17

Also, when you change classes, you can still go back and do that class's specific quests for your new type to get some of the skills.

For example, you've just changed your secondary to warrior, good for you, now, go outside ascalon city, and do warmaster grasts quests to get a few skills, then go to piken and do .. um .. i think its pitney at piken, do his quests, then, move on to whoever the next warrior trainer is in the world. This gets you a number of your 'new' class's skills quickly and easily.

calamitykell · Sep 29, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53

I think OP is just wanting to rush and get skills. My Me/Mo is level 16, and she has a ton of skills. Currently at Augury Rock. Her current price for skills if she were to buy? 200g.

Do. The. Quests. For. Skills. Not only do you get skills, you get quite a bit of exp, drops, gold, a chance at items/runes.

Slimcea · Sep 29, 2005, 04:08 PM // 16:08

I dunnoe about you guys, but let me just ask a simple question - for buy only those necessary skills, how the hell would you know what are the necessary skills are the first time round, unless you've bought them to try before?

Furthermore, what am I to do if I want to experiment with builds? So basically I'm only restricted to skills from quests and probably a dozen other purchases before I run out of options and need to resort to farming if I'm poor? Even doing all the quests before embarking on a skill buying run leaves you with around 6 to 7 skills that hit the 1K mark to purchase - not exactly cheap if you don't farm.

sidepocket13 · Sep 29, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

dumb question, if you unlock skills with faction for a pve char, those are unlocked universally right? not just for pvp??

Detis Zan · Sep 29, 2005, 04:36 PM // 16:36

=P Um no... You unlock skills/upgrades/runes with faction you gained from PVP and only those things you unlock ARE FOR PVP.

Unlocking stuff IS NOT for the PvE Chracter only for the PvP character simply put.

I think the price is a little too high really.

Everyone says questing. So you mean as you make a new character do the quests and you'll get the skills. Yet if you played the game enough times through I must say it gets boring as hell to do the lame quests/storyline etc.

Even when you change your second profession you can do the quests again but I don't know who would do them again after going through all of that =P

In the end we have to just deal with it. Buy the skills or earn the money yes it's harder for the newer players but things happen.

(I would add something else but this is all of the top of my head)

wsmcasey · Sep 29, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by The milk shake

this idea is ridiculous
1: makes it difficult to get skills for a new character
2: makes it difficult to change professions

i mean you start a new char, and you are like lv5 getting outta pre... HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET 1k for a skill???????????????, i mean what if you are a w/mo, you dont start with breeze, its gonna be a while before you can scrap up the cash to buy it....

I agree, I don't like it either. Like stated by others it doesn't start at 1k. It really does make it harder to experiment with second professions in PvE if you don't have the gold to afford new skills. Not everyone enjoys experimenting with builds in PvP, I know a lot of people that prefer to do PvE only.